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Post by ‘ J. Crow ’ on May 4, 2009 21:48:45 GMT
LOL. Francly, to aknowledge someone based on skin color is indeed RACIST. For people who have been fighting for years for equality (blacks), their awfully anxious to refer to us as if we are in some way different. By saying "This whiteboy..." your actually implying that we are different... if he said,.. "Damn, that boy can jump.." then, thats straight up, as we ALL fall into that label. The second you bring race into a matter of can and cants, it is indeed ignorant and racist. I am in no way racist, I have friends of all different backgrounds... But, I must say, I see blacks being more racist than whites almost every day. Thats not to say that every other race is in the victim, but for people who are quick to jump on the racist card when its thrown out.. they should play more as a team, instead of thinking we're against eachother. I agree..
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Post by Solace. on May 4, 2009 21:54:40 GMT
^If you would have actually taken the time to read what I originally posted, I implied it isn't a matter of can and cannots, more so who does certain things better according to a general consensus.
Are you honestly gonna tell me black people generally don't play basketball better than any other race? No one's saying any other ethnicity can't ball, and ball well... it just ISN'T coincidence that there are so many black NBA players.
I agree, some black people are playing both sides of the fence. They want to fight for equality, but feel the need to have a television channel named after themselves and their own NAACP awards, which is just further singling themselves out. You can call it 'celebrating your culture', but as far as I've seen, most cultural celebrations embrace people of all backgrounds still.
If you really believe acknowledgment based color is racist, than most of the world was being racist in acknowledging Obama as the first BLACK president. People who celebrated athletes breaking the colour barrier... they are also racist. Acknowledging Rosa Parks, or MLK Jr for being black people who stood up for change, must be racist.
Doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by «Kü®bẕẕ» on May 5, 2009 3:21:03 GMT
No, see...
all those EVENTS don't fall into the can and cannot argument at hand. from what I gathered, so your saying being called BLACK isn't racist in the least bit to a black man?,
..Rosa parks was being aknowledged for being "the first of THEIR KIND" to do something, which is indeed racist. You havta realize all the people you listed...their causes and 'dreams' didnt have a race, nor should it be projected as a race matter. Its a man, standing up for a higher cause or a woman, standing up for a higher cause
If you were reading the paper solace... and you came across an article about garbage littering...headlines.. "BROWN WOMAN STINKS UP THE STREET"... does this justifiable because its simply stating her skin color?
It's kinda ironic though you bring up MLK. cause wasn't he the one with the dream, to be treated as an equal... and here you are bringing him up as a resource in the opposite side of the argument.
tisk tisk.
Do some research.
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Post by Solace. on May 5, 2009 15:20:20 GMT
LOL how do those events NOT fall into the can and cannot argument when they were fighting for what they can and can't do? That makes no sense whatsoever. Wasn't Rosa Parks standing up against the fact that she CANNOT sit anywhere but the back of the bus? Seriously, I fail to see how you can miss something so blatant.
All of this is just going over you head. If you really wanna consume my time with your view, at least take time to read what I actually wrote instead of skimming. You say
I never stated he was standing up JUST for black people, did I? I was saying the fact that he is remembered as a BLACK man who did this by a majority of society would make our society racist by your definition.
Your example is faulty. Because, when you say 'Brown woman stinking up the streets', her race has no relevance to the actual topic. In the examples I stated, race is indeed relevant. When someone says 'black man broke the color barrier in sports' obviously his race is relevant when the color barrier is being discussed.
Honestly, if someone said about me 'Yo, see that brown kid over there?,' why should I be offended? Am I not brown? Being called a 'black person' or 'white person' is politically correct. I didn't realize the society your in, or your beliefs, are so sensitive that when your referred to as what you really are, you'd think it was wrong, almost as if you're trying to escape what you really are.
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Post by «Kü®bẕẕ» on May 5, 2009 19:12:51 GMT
Being called a 'black person' or 'white person' is politically correct. I LOOOOOOL, are you dumb? Politically correct? Then how come, for the year prior to Obama becoming president, there was NUMEROUS news centers such as (CNN) who fought for the term "first BLACK president" to be deaded, and to refer to 'Blacks' as what they are, 'African American'... For you to say BLACK is politically correct is ignorant lil boy. I think your just arguing for the sake of arguing cuhz I'm pretty sure you were aware of that. As for those EVENTS you mentioned fitting into the Can and Cannot argument, Maybe your right.... depending how your looking at it. Like I said, TO BLACK PEOPLE, none of those people were BLACK PEOPLE with a cause, but a PERSON with a cause... It was racist for them to deny them their rights in the first place, but about 20x as racist aknowledging what they did just based on their color. If a WHITE person stood up that day on the bus, and said... "STFU, THAT WOMAN WILL SIT ANYWHERE SHE WANTS" it woulda been written as "Man stands up for what he believes in"... but the second a different member of a minority group does something.. their commended on it based on the color of their skin. That is indeed racist. I think YOUR either playing dumb, and arguing out of spite... or your fully unaware that RACISM doesnt havta be some upfront insult, or ignorant statement directed at a ethnicity. you need to understand that times have changed? its 2009, if your still refer to people based on skin color, it shows that your too ignorant, or uneducated to speak about people with a proper manner. Your idea of racism is only like 5% of the content that makes up the whole term Racism.
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Post by KraziE on May 5, 2009 19:47:28 GMT
you both have some flaws and some good points in your paragraphs heh.....
Solace is right.... rosa parks, mlk, etc are a racist issue..... black people had to sit at the back of the bus..... your fucking stupid if you think if a white person did something about that back then (like giving rosa his seat and then making a huge deal when the bus driver and other passengers made a big deal) they wouldnt throw him in jail and mention the fact he was a white man in the news paper.... thats the stupidest fucking thing iv herd in a long time..... and the term black person is oviously politically correct because thats what EVERYONE even the news calls him..... THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT..... its not really racist.... its more aknowleding the fact we have less racism in the world so we can elect a black pres..... Whats the difference between calling them african american and us cacasion or w/e.... were still putting a divide between the two races.....WERE HUMANS or PEOPLE etc the only thing thats racist is if you use those terms in a racist way imo....
i understand where kurbzz is comming from..... but imo it doesnt work that way because their was racism in the past, so oviously when are society starts becomming less racist and blacks start getting their rights and everything.... and accomplishing things that coulda never happened when their was lots of racism and crap, its going to be pointed out that the world is finally becomming less racist.... it wasnt a pretty little world where it was just normal for black people to sit in the front of the bus, or participate on sports teams...
i do agree on everything justin quoted from kurbzz tho aswell
but you talking about 2 different things....
if a black person says that white boys cant jump that racist
but talking about situations where black people had restricted rights and then finally got past em, that is not racist.... that is showing how the world is becomming less racist
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Post by «Kü®bẕẕ» on May 5, 2009 21:14:42 GMT
Your example is faulty. Because, when you say 'Brown woman stinking up the streets', her race has no relevance to the actual topic. In the examples I stated, race is indeed relevant. But you said referring to someone based on their skin color IS politically correct. So regardless of its relevant to the story or not, according to you, its correct.
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Post by Solace. on May 5, 2009 21:36:01 GMT
Being called a 'black person' or 'white person' is politically correct. I LOOOOOOL, are you dumb? Politically correct? Black person vs. N***** or coon. White person vs. Kike or uncle tom. Your honestly telling me relative to the latter two descriptions, the former is politically incorrect? How is African American politically correct? how is that what they are? Not all black people are from Africa. Living in Brampton, you should know that, where a large portion of the black community is Jamaican. AgIf a white man stood up for her, his race would have mentioned 10 times more, b/c in those times, if you did something like that, you'd no doubt be outcasted from the white society and be called a 'n*****-lover' in the blink of an eye. It was generally considered they were two different classes, so a white dude's race would be mentioned even MORE if he stood up for a black person. In to kill a mockingbird, which I'm sure you at least know of if you haven't read, that dude standing up for Tom Robinson was looked at in a negative demeanor and was threatened when he was protecting him from the mob of people wanting to kill Tom. This is exactly what I mean. There's a difference in stating someone's color, and mocking them or looking down upon them for it. It's all reflected on HOW you say it, and what context you say it in, which I've reiterated time and time again in every post. Times do change. Yankee was once one of the most derogatory terms directed at American Soldiers (I'm pretty sure), and now, it's the name of one of the most celebrated sports franchises. Like I've already said, racial slurs are fabricated. Uncle Tom or Coon are derogatory, b/c the people those are directed to aren't really that. Calling someone black, brown or white isn't derogatory, at least to me, b/c that's what those people ARE. You could argue it a million different ways, you just have to realize, society contradicts itself on the daily. They'll tell you 'We're all humans, and we're all alike' but then I could tune into the next fruity after school special and hear them say 'We're all unique, we're all different, there's no one like you out there.' So I just chose to believe what I think is right. I don't look to CNN or FOX to form my opinion on life or the state of society. I've never been told I offended someone, unless I meant to.
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Post by Solace. on May 5, 2009 21:50:21 GMT
Your example is faulty. Because, when you say 'Brown woman stinking up the streets', her race has no relevance to the actual topic. In the examples I stated, race is indeed relevant. But you said referring to someone based on their skin color IS politically correct. So regardless of its relevant to the story or not, according to you, its correct. I said it was politically correct in the right context OR if it holds meaning. Hence why I used the example of me being called 'that brown guy' by someone. It's being used as a descriptive cuz maybe the person I'm being pointed out to, cannot see me. Lets be real, when someone is telling their friend about someone and they don't remember them don't they often refer to race, Like 'You know, that brown guy.' How many times have u seen someone actually get offended by that. I've heard it said where teachers hear it, they don't say anything.... I feel like I'm saying this a million times now, but it all depends on context. You could make ANY word seem bad, cuz a lot of the time words have more than one meaning, depending on HOW you say it or HOW you use it. 'Yo that new Gears is sick.' 'He slaughtered a whole family. He's Sick.' Brown woman stinking up the streets? Automatically that's brown woman and 'stinking' will be linked together and thought of as offensive b/c of common stereotypes. Another example that's occurring right now is, the Tamil protests. 'The Tamil community is protesting' or 'Tamil protesters' is what I hear a majority of the team in person, on television or radio. But by your definition, they should be called 'Protesters' or 'people are protesting.' So why is that?
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Post by Greed on May 5, 2009 22:49:39 GMT
An uncle tom is a black person that sucks up to white people
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Post by PunisherXL on May 5, 2009 23:05:18 GMT
I heard that.... Black people have 2 Extra Muscles in their legs... Explains so much....
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Post by «Kü®bẕẕ» on May 5, 2009 23:14:37 GMT
LOOOOOOL, are you dumb? Politically correct? Black person vs. N***** or coon. White person vs. Kike or uncle tom. Your honestly telling me relative to the latter two descriptions, the former is politically incorrect? How is African American politically correct? how is that what they are? Not all black people are from Africa. Living in Brampton, you should know that, where a large portion of the black community is Jamaican. Obviously if your putting the term BLACK up against derogatory terms such as N*GGER and Coon, its gonna seem more suitable. But at the end of the day, its still racist... to me. So, your argument is.. aslong as its used in the right context its not racist,.. WHICH CAN BE TRUE, but still, it can be used in ways TO BE racist also. Like you said yourself, any word can be switched around to be derogatory... which then leads me to the question, why use it in the first place if it creates confusion? It's like the long argument of "Why can "Black" people say nigga but white people cant" If "Black" people can use it as a sign of respect, or friendship, but it can also be used as an insult and to belittle someone... whats the difference between "Black" and "Nigga" when they can both be used in either context. I see what your getting at talking about the context its used in, but still... its a derogatory term which can, and will, remain to be used regardless if people have a problem with it. I mean, you can look at a "Black" person.. are they really black? or is that us just being ignorant and singling them out for being different... are white people really white? are brown people brown? or is it just a way for them to single us apart, rather than bring us together?
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Post by Solace. on May 6, 2009 0:52:43 GMT
The difference is, nigga is derived from something offensive, black is not.
At the end of the day, as long as neither of us is offending someone, no one is wrong, at least in this respect.
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Post by <^`Boyle`^> on May 6, 2009 7:53:14 GMT
Ey HOL UP...I'ma get Jesse on the phone he'll tell you WUS UP.
^ Now see thats racist, or thats what I intrepreted it to be, I doubt that has any revelence.
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Post by —»Ph€N¤M«— on May 14, 2009 14:27:57 GMT
Lol Black Ppl Have ALOT Of Pride & For The Most Part Dont Take Shit From Nobody & Take Every Single Comment That Might Hint At Somethin Offensive To The Extreeeeme! Lol Its Funny How U Cant Really Have A Show On Tv Of White Ppl Makin Fun Of Black Ppl Without Hearin Millions Of Complaints But There Are So Many Shows Where Black Ppl Is Clownin On Whites & Nobody Says Nun.. Like Boondocks! LOL.. & Many BET Shows & Stand Up Black Comedies!
Lol It's All Just Hilarious To Me Bruh.. Yea.. These Days Ppl Just Accept That Black Ppl Run They Mouths About Any Race Cus Aint Nobody Doin Nun About It.. Yes Most Of Em Hypocrites Cus If The Same Jokes Were Returned Back At Em They Would Just Snap!
The "White Boy" Thingy Is A Good Example.. Black Ppl Say That All The Time.. U Dont See Ppl Sayin "Black Boy" ..Niggas Would Look At U Funny Like Huh? ..Just Like Noone Really Does Nun When Black Ppl Call Whites Honkeys Or Crackers Or White Bread But If A White Person Call A Black Person Nigga Or Nigger To Their Faces.. Oh Man.. I Feel Sry For That White Dude.. Well For The Most Part (76% Chance That White Boy Gon End Up Bleedin..)
Well.. Thats Life.. Live With It Lol
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Post by <^`Boyle`^> on May 14, 2009 14:56:34 GMT
I'll have you know I've beaten up my fair share of ''Black Boys'' (bolded for an extra bash at a racist remark)..xD
I'm not gonna lie.. I make fun of Other races all the time.
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Post by ‘ J. Crow ’ on May 14, 2009 16:51:07 GMT
I agree with most of phenoms post..
except the 76% percent thing.. that number seems pulled out of thin air
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Post by ThatBoiSiQ on May 14, 2009 17:23:38 GMT
An uncle tom is a black person that sucks up to white people And the word Kike is a racist term for Jewish people. As for this whole subject.. I have no opinion. I read some of the comments, but this type of discussion could consume hours of your day, especially online, I used to spend a lot of my time debating on things like this on other sites.. but in the end nobody will come to one agreement. There are far too many grey areas, and different outlooks from each side, so I find it's best to just DO YOU. I have respect for any man or woman as such; a Man, or a Woman. I don't think it's racist though to refer to someone's skin colour. Like.. I was at the hospital in Toronto a few days ago and I'd never realized that the majority of the doctors and nurses there are from middle eastern countries. I think acknowledging the fact that those races from that region tend to excell in the medical fields, as well as other sciences, that's not racist. Anyway.. there's too many "fine lines" that end up being crossed in one way or another depending on individual opinion. So.. why bother discussing it. Just my imo.. peace.
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Post by SOL DA SUPA NOVA on May 14, 2009 19:54:51 GMT
WHO GIVES A FUCK??
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Post by —»Ph€N¤M«— on May 14, 2009 22:14:11 GMT
I'll have you know I've beaten up my fair share of ''Black Boys'' (bolded for an extra bash at a racist remark)..xD I'm not gonna lie.. I make fun of Other races all the time. LOL Oh 4real? ..Somehow I Doubt That.. Lol Get Ya Dick Wet For Tha First Time By Dippin It In Some Chocolate Syrup.. Then Jack Off.. Thatz The Only Black U'd Ever Beat -.-
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