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Post by LostMoniker on Apr 12, 2008 1:41:03 GMT
Now, please look at this with an open mind and see were I'm coming from first before you post blindly trying to dissolve my logic. ANYWAYS,
Now, I don't want to sound preachy or anything, or even Ironic I guess. Anyways, almost 50 percent of this forum are text heads. Now this is all fine, but I feel that not moving into audio is un-tapped potential. I've seen doper text heads then anyone on here, and it's ashame to see them stuck with text for years after knowing them. About ten percent of the really iLL text heads I've ever known, are into audio or live shit. I just think, you should apply your skill to a more real life approach, example being:
You can make the images you want for your "sculpture", but not many people will care about the image until the sculptures actually constructed. In this case, you can text as much as you want but until it's gone into audio form, or performed in front of someone it loses some of what makes it so special.
Now, psychologically speaking majority of Text-cee's thrive because they feel comfortable in this format. To be honest, I think i'd still be a text head if it wasn't for me deciding one day to write some lyric down I thought of. From there, someone saw it, asked me if I rapped which I said I did, etc. days later I ended up battling (at school of course). Now what I'm getting at is, you can be the dopest with your rhyme schemes and spit impeccable concepts but once your thrusted in front of people, your whole entire style changes. Personally, 50 percent of your lyrical talent is barred by the other 50 percent of your confidence. Now, don't be like "then why would I want to spit in front of people if It's harder", well because look at it this way, wouldn't it suck if you had the cure to cancer, but had nothing to show for it, hence making it irrelevant.
Now, for me that was probably the biggest step in my whole entire time rapping. Regardless, even if doing it "live" isn't for you, it wouldn't hurt to attempt audio. I think, the first time I ever recorded a proper track, I finally felt that everything I ever worked for in text was worthwhile, something I never really felt before (or if I did, it seemed temporary). Regardless, I think one of the biggest repercussions of working from text to audio, is my flow is barred by old habits, such as how rhyme schemes and multis were meant to sound in "text". This isn't bad, I give full credit to my text roots on Habbo and such, but if I worked the other way around, I'd definitely be better to a beat.
Regardless, just keep this in mind. I'm not trying to start a fight here, and please don't take statements to heart, just trying to give you something to think about.
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Post by Alter on Apr 12, 2008 12:06:12 GMT
Solid post. Not much to say personally cause i don't really consider myself an "emcee"
Text is just a hobby and something i do very rarely as it's a part of HHE life lol, getting in with the community.
However i do very much agree. But on the same note, there are people who don't do well on audio through no fault of their own, people who's voices just don't suit rapping, and Dan, no offence intended, but in SOME ways, you almost have one of those voices. However, people like you DO make them work through putting in work and effort, so props on that as it kinda counteracts the whole "my voice ain't for audio" concept.
Personally, I never record because:
a. Not a serious thing for me
b. Lack of Time AND Space
c. I can only think in accapella half the time, and the other half i can't think of things when i want to, they only come when i'm not trying.
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Post by LostMoniker on Apr 12, 2008 15:38:38 GMT
However i do very much agree. But on the same note, there are people who don't do well on audio through no fault of their own, people who's voices just don't suit rapping, and Dan, no offence intended, but in SOME ways, you almost have one of those voices. However, people like you DO make them work through putting in work and effort, so props on that as it kinda counteracts the whole "my voice ain't for audio" concept. Personally, I never record because: a. Not a serious thing for me b. Lack of Time AND Space c. I can only think in accapella half the time, and the other half i can't think of things when i want to, they only come when i'm not trying. Very good points, however, I was moving towards those who take there "text-ceeing" seriously. But regardless good points. |
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Post by JFX on Apr 12, 2008 15:55:10 GMT
are people who don't do well on audio through no fault of their own, people who's voices just don't suit rapping Im the same like that accpella i sent you alter i struggled to make my voice flow well Rep+ to moniker this could help textcee's move forward to audio which is a good thing seen as were tryna do an audio tourny |
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Post by Alter on Apr 12, 2008 17:46:17 GMT
Just to throw this in and get further discussion:
What's wrong with Serious Textceeing? (Not saying anyone said there was)
What's to say Audio is FORWARD from text?
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Post by JFX on Apr 12, 2008 18:14:26 GMT
I Would Say Its A Way Forward Or Backward It Depends
Audio Lyrically Its Easier Though There Other Factors
Textceeing Is Lyrically Harder Though Easy For Punches,Meta's And Multies Becuase Of The Longer Lines
It All Depends On How Well You Do On Either
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Post by LostMoniker on Apr 12, 2008 18:57:56 GMT
I Would Say Its A Way Forward Or Backward It Depends Audio Lyrically Its Easier Though There Other Factors Textceeing Is Lyrically Harder Though Easy For Punches,Meta's And Multies Becuase Of The Longer Lines It All Depends On How Well You Do On Either Essentially recording your raps are just different formats. Unless your beat is dictating shorter bars, complexity may not be as apparent. However, I use the exact same complexity (even better now) in my audio's then in text. Also, it's definitely harder lyrically moving to audio only because your beat starts dictating how your bars are working. In Text-cee'ing I can extend my bars, I can make longer bars, work with concepts that sound good on paper but don't translate well into audio. It's something I had a big problem with being a textcee first, moving into audios because I was used to writing my bars without the snares and such. |
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Post by Ain on Apr 13, 2008 7:12:15 GMT
Well, if I may bless the thread with a bit of enlightenment...
Words have their powers derived from the mind that has the intelligence to create them. Therefore, to say that words are in need of a rhythm to make an impact would be false. There are many pieces of art that have been written in text form, that would totally shit on anything ever heard on a beat. The problem is that, most of this new school rap is so hypnotized by beats. Let's be humble here... Before words had rhythm to accompany them , they were still revered as manisfestations of the mind. That is which gives the words their power. So how can you assume that the feeling. given off from the text itself. is not as intense? Isn't this same reading that motivates the psyche through scriptures? You niggas are so caught up in beats that you pay no attention to the artistic poertry. Before hiphop was hiphop it was poetry... And poetry never had a beat to go with it. It was just words... And those words brought powers from those who spoke them. How can you discredit those who have made the guidelines for your very art? For you to have a quote such as Michelangelo, It's as blasphemy for you to critique the art of writing. Which birthed the way of speaking that which is written unto paper. from OUR own brains... Dawg, you'd have to think... Some people take honor in knowing that folks can simply read their work and be inspired. Beat or not... Is that not what education is based upon? Everything we known as knowledge is given from that which is read. With no beats at all... So how can you state that what you read is no less effective as what you hear? I think most of you need to step your game up. Hip hop is more beats now days then it is lyrics... So saying a beat is needed is doing nothing but adding fuel to the fire in my opinion. And this is just directed to those who take pride in their writing....
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Post by JFX on Apr 13, 2008 10:39:34 GMT
Yes but audio dosent have to be done over a beat or w/e
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Post by Tha 216 Soulja on Apr 13, 2008 11:49:43 GMT
1. How good you are at rapping and making a track has nothing to do with your voice. "My voice isn't for audio" is a myth.
2. Text shouldn't be taken 'seriously'. It should be ahobby .. a fun thing to do. I mean sure, it can be taken seriously in a sense of "This is near and dear to me" ya know .. it's poetry, but I mean from a life in general stand point. It won't take you anywhere.
3. Ain has no idea what the fuck ..
A related note, you fucking textcees need to stop listening to so much god damn gangsta rap! Young jeezy is NOT a good emcee. PERIOD!
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Post by Alter on Apr 13, 2008 12:16:01 GMT
^I agree with the Jeezy comment.
However, Would you then discredit the works of Past and Present Poet Laureate and famed writers?
Cat's like Benjamin Zephania, Seamus Heaney, The Bard himself and numerous others had their works soley in writing, and when they are read aloud, each speaker has their own unique way of doing so. That's text right there.
Secondly, if it's the art that you care about, what does it matter where it takes you?
@ain, that's one of the reasons why i never write to a beat. It just comes out how I want it to be said lol, which kinda lets me down.
But yeah, this is getting good now.
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Post by JFX on Apr 13, 2008 12:16:36 GMT
IMO Gangsta Rap Is The Worst Type Of Rap/Hip Hop (Excluding Any Commercial Obviously)
But Not Going Off Topic
Audio has alot to do with your Voice 216 Not as far as singing but you cant sound like a robot or just talk with no emotion
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Post by LostMoniker on Apr 13, 2008 15:19:54 GMT
Well, if I may bless the thread with a bit of enlightenment... Words have their powers derived from the mind that has the intelligence to create them. Therefore, to say that words are in need of a rhythm to make an impact would be false. There are many pieces of art that have been written in text form, that would totally shit on anything ever heard on a beat. The problem is that, most of this new school rap is so hypnotized by beats. Let's be humble here... Before words had rhythm to accompany them , they were still revered as manisfestations of the mind. That is which gives the words their power. So how can you assume that the feeling. given off from the text itself. is not as intense? Isn't this same reading that motivates the psyche through scriptures? You niggas are so caught up in beats that you pay no attention to the artistic poertry. Before hiphop was hiphop it was poetry... And poetry never had a beat to go with it. It was just words... And those words brought powers from those who spoke them. How can you discredit those who have made the guidelines for your very art? For you to have a quote such as Michelangelo, It's as blasphemy for you to critique the art of writing. Which birthed the way of speaking that which is written unto paper. from OUR own brains... Dawg, you'd have to think... Some people take honor in knowing that folks can simply read their work and be inspired. Beat or not... Is that not what education is based upon? Everything we known as knowledge is given from that which is read. With no beats at all... So how can you state that what you read is no less effective as what you hear? I think most of you need to step your game up. Hip hop is more beats now days then it is lyrics... So saying a beat is needed is doing nothing but adding fuel to the fire in my opinion. And this is just directed to those who take pride in their writing.... I'm sorry but you have no idea what the fuck your talking about. If you trace the origins back to how "rap" truly started, you'd know that "Toasting" was done to a beat, and still maintained poetry sense. Also, seems to me like your really emphasizing this beat thing, now if that was the case that I'm some sort of beat Nazi, then wouldn't it make me look like a massive hypocrite to have posted an Acapella a day prior to this post? (don't even say it is, because I have more then a few Acapella's on my sound click) Also, I have no idea how your getting this ideology that I discredited the art in which my lyricism stemmed from. I very much know were it stemmed from, I know were my multi's stemmed from, I know were my complexity stemmed from, (I cold go on) seems like you were more pre-occupied in dispelling something I didn't say. Regardless, if you had common logic the blue prints to a building and the actual building are two different things. Example being you can read medical books, yes of course thats were the knowledge stems from, but what really counts is you being able to perform this medical feat. Bad puns aside, all saying your lines vocally is an evolution in lyricism. It's clearly a more modernized approach, but it makes sense. I'm sure as fuck, if Shakespear could get his stuff recorded and sent to other places, he'd do it in an instant. Also, since this is a rap forum, and not a poetry forum, you'd think this context of "your losing your poetry once you rap to a beat" is clearly bullshit, because seeing as this is a hip hop forum, and I'm looking at this in a hip hop context you'd know that Kool Herc's idea was to cut the "breaks" from beats and allow someone to say something to this beat. Which derived from toasting, but you were arguing on how Michelangelo couldn't rock to the soulja boy beat. Now i'll even take this a step further, slavery had sprung up "hymns" that they sung to get them through bouts of depression, etc. Now they were using "guitars" to sing over, and you know why? Because this is more uplifting, as it has been for millions of years before this. Poetry works in a different context of rap, rap is an evolution of poetry, and Poetry I have high respect for. But, as I said I'm looking at this in a "hip hop" context. |
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Post by Tha 216 Soulja on Apr 13, 2008 17:58:55 GMT
No, audio has a lot to do with delvery/flow, not how your VOICE sounds. You can't control your voice, you can control the other. And no, I'm not discrediting anyone .. but when Poets come up and read their poetry aloud, that's not 'text' .. I wouldn't call a book of poems 'text'. I'd call it lyrics .. when a poet reads aloud that's performing, not texting.
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Post by Ain on Apr 13, 2008 18:15:54 GMT
You're still talking about rap. As I stated, rap is essentially poetry. That's how rap 'TRULY" started, if you'd like to get technical. I mean, let's be real here, honestly... Half of you heads would hear an audio and say dumb shit like, ' you don't have the voice' or ' you say way & that way. Who gives a flying fuck? That's nothing more than more reasons for people not to pay ATTENTION to the writing, the lyrics.
My point is, it's cool to suggest a 'textcee' to do audio, what ever... However, I find it amusing how many people discredit WRITERS by labeling them 'textcees'. I understand though because these are forums, but damn man, to say, "You can make the images you want for your "sculpture", but not many people will care about the image until the sculptures actually constructed. In this case, you can text as much as you want but until it's gone into audio form, or performed in front of someone it loses some of what makes it so special" is bullshit... For example, the image you want for the sculpture comes from your thoughts & emotions. That creates the image. The sculpture is when those thoughts and emotions are written down. Like god said here, "The Bard himself and numerous others had their works soley in writing, and when they are read aloud, each speaker has their own unique way of doing so. That's text right there.
Secondly, if it's the art that you care about, what does it matter where it takes you?
@ain, that's one of the reasons why i never write to a beat. It just comes out how I want it to be said lol, which kinda lets me down."
It's not about taking things the wrong way, but some people feel the necessity to vocalize their writing & some don't. All I'm saying is, don't throw curve balls at soul writers to say ' you're not doing nothing if you're not doing audio', that's bogus. To even read something which IS in text format and then say to yourself ' yo, I bet that would be ill on audio', does that diminish the effect of what you've read? If I gave a piece from something I wrote:
"Wrongly perceiving views - so many open to violence
Woes are in silence, afraid that God'll quote the defiance
Hopelessly crying, inhaling life- but slowly we're dying
So how is it we just settle for those supposedly trying...
...To growing-divine, and leave our evils frozen in time
Then slowly we climb to Grace - you know.. that moment we shine"
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I've witnessed guys hoping the sky'd open with God floatin'
Him drying the eyes from those crying from lives stolen
Our time's spoken, when in Spirit we die loathing
And crime is diguised to be under divine holdings
Then their eyes-open & they see that their blind serpants
Still crawling in eden, spreading lies of the "not Perfect"
Won't Heaven send for us? Lord why do our sins haunt us
And why does it seem you don't honor your sent promise"
god, I'm not looking for niggaz to exalt me on a track, you feel me? I don't need to. My flow is easy to catch in that form, but that's not the point. It's my words. Niggas are going to simply read those words and be like yo, he's on some other shit... When if they were on a beat, you're more worried about how the beat sounds, how I sound, all of the shit that really doesn't matter god...So no, I wasn't attempting to dispell anything you said, I was making my point. This shit is a hobby & this is the internet. I'm not even going to go into 'history' with you, that's another conversation.
"Regardless, if you had common logic the blue prints to a building and the actual building are two different things. Example being you can read medical books, yes of course thats were the knowledge stems from, but what really counts is you being able to perform this medical feat"
I feel you on that though, but that's also totally different from writing... the fuck?
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Post by Ain on Apr 13, 2008 18:38:59 GMT
My bad for double posting, but I forgot to add that I didn't even listen to your soundclick. I'm still fairly new here, you know? I will admit though, if I were to do audio, it would be acapella. After I read my post, it does seem I was emphasizing the beat thing a little to much, but to me it's still one in the same. Everyone has their own way of delivery... And even that is something often criticized. So I apologize if my response seems argumentative, 'cause where I'm coming from is beyond that.
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Post by LostMoniker on Apr 13, 2008 19:45:55 GMT
You're still talking about rap. As I stated, rap is essentially poetry. That's how rap 'TRULY" started, if you'd like to get technical. I mean, let's be real here, honestly... Half of you heads would hear an audio and say dumb shit like, ' you don't have the voice' or ' you say way & that way. Who gives a flying fuck? That's nothing more than more reasons for people not to pay ATTENTION to the writing, the lyrics. My point is, it's cool to suggest a 'textcee' to do audio, what ever... However, I find it amusing how many people discredit WRITERS by labeling them 'textcees'. I understand though because these are forums, but damn man, to say, "You can make the images you want for your "sculpture", but not many people will care about the image until the sculptures actually constructed. In this case, you can text as much as you want but until it's gone into audio form, or performed in front of someone it loses some of what makes it so special" is bullshit... For example, the image you want for the sculpture comes from your thoughts & emotions. That creates the image. The sculpture is when those thoughts and emotions are written down. Like god said here, "The Bard himself and numerous others had their works soley in writing, and when they are read aloud, each speaker has their own unique way of doing so. That's text right there. Secondly, if it's the art that you care about, what does it matter where it takes you? @ain, that's one of the reasons why i never write to a beat. It just comes out how I want it to be said lol, which kinda lets me down." It's not about taking things the wrong way, but some people feel the necessity to vocalize their writing & some don't. All I'm saying is, don't throw curve balls at soul writers to say ' you're not doing nothing if you're not doing audio', that's bogus. To even read something which IS in text format and then say to yourself ' yo, I bet that would be ill on audio', does that diminish the effect of what you've read? If I gave a piece from something I wrote: "Wrongly perceiving views - so many open to violence Woes are in silence, afraid that God'll quote the defiance Hopelessly crying, inhaling life- but slowly we're dying So how is it we just settle for those supposedly trying... ...To growing-divine, and leave our evils frozen in time Then slowly we climb to Grace - you know.. that moment we shine" Or " I've witnessed guys hoping the sky'd open with God floatin' Him drying the eyes from those crying from lives stolen Our time's spoken, when in Spirit we die loathing And crime is diguised to be under divine holdings Then their eyes-open & they see that their blind serpants Still crawling in eden, spreading lies of the "not Perfect" Won't Heaven send for us? Lord why do our sins haunt us And why does it seem you don't honor your sent promise" god, I'm not looking for niggaz to exalt me on a track, you feel me? I don't need to. My flow is easy to catch in that form, but that's not the point. It's my words. Niggas are going to simply read those words and be like yo, he's on some other shit... When if they were on a beat, you're more worried about how the beat sounds, how I sound, all of the shit that really doesn't matter god...So no, I wasn't attempting to dispell anything you said, I was making my point. This shit is a hobby & this is the internet. I'm not even going to go into 'history' with you, that's another conversation. "Regardless, if you had common logic the blue prints to a building and the actual building are two different things. Example being you can read medical books, yes of course thats were the knowledge stems from, but what really counts is you being able to perform this medical feat" I feel you on that though, but that's also totally different from writing... the fuck? Very valid points through out. However, while you said "It's about the art, etc." I still was making this thread for those who take textcee'ing into "serious" consideration. So what I mean, I remember my days were text was my life, I still think regardless, if your portraying an artform that's basis stemmed from the performance aspect it's only logical to move into that. BUT AGAIN, that pertains to those who are taking this seriously. Regardless, some of your points to ring true, My point is, it's cool to suggest a 'textcee' to do audio, what ever... However, I find it amusing how many people discredit WRITERS by labeling them 'textcees'.And I guess I worded the "sculpture" thing a bit awkward. I definitely didn't mean to make it sound that way, either way. It's not about taking things the wrong way, but some people feel the necessity to vocalize their writing & some don't. All I'm saying is, don't throw curve balls at soul writers to say ' you're not doing nothing if you're not doing audio'And yes, I'll admit my wrong in there. I guess art is one's representation, all text or audio are are just other mediums for portraying one's self. So yes, you've got me there. Either way good sir, you've earned my respect. But keep in mind, I was still using this as more of a "push" for those who are taking textcee'ing seriously, and have thought, or "think" it might be cool to move outside of the "forum" structure type of thing. |
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Post by Ain on Apr 16, 2008 4:27:47 GMT
^ Word.
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Post by Forward Bound on May 2, 2008 3:35:57 GMT
I think people do what they want to do. Some people do text just to test their intellect, and I think at times it can be a good test. Trying to come up with a complex similie tying into a fresh wordplay, etc.
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